@jack this is a very valid point, you are right it’s not just about time, I think for me it more illustrates some of the issue around feeling you are getting the most out of a system though. I have Things I like it but I wish I would use it better but I don’t feel there is an easy way to get the most out of it without spending time which does however as you suggest have big rewards. I also like to just try these tools out 🤣 but I do think there is a missing piece to the puzzle which for me is to stop thinking about productivity at all and start really tackling the act of tools for thinking and co-creation, notion does states some of this on their About page.